That's one of the things I noticed in this fandom: there are lots of tropes and all the good ones tend to be overused. Maybe this one comes from the fact that in the movie, Arthur "screwed up" when he "failed" to discover that Robert's subconscious had been militarized (between quotation marks because as good as he is, that sort of stuff isn't likely to be recorded anywhere and fellow extractors aren't really going to spill the beans because hello, criminal world. Anyway there's an awesome meta post floating around here that explains it way better than I ever could but basically, Arthur didn't really screw up and Cobb really acted like a huge douchebag to try and divert the team's attention from his own huge fuck-up.) and we never see Eames being anything less than a BAMF. So maybe it incepted people into thinking Arthur was more likely to fail than Eames. I don't know. But in my head!canon they're both stubborn and insecure, each in their own way but then it's overpowered by the power of their ~epic love~. Basically. But seriously, to me they're both equal in their qualities and flaws, and that's what I love about them anyway. Maybe they won't screw up at the same time (like, in the same story) but it should be more, um, balanced than it is right now in A/E fic.
And I totally agree re: the condescension line, the way I interpreted it since I first saw the movie was that Arthur was sincere but couldn't help being snarky and Eames ,blinded by love, failed to pick it up. JGL and Tom Hardy really nailed that scene IMO. If you look at it from the inception=movie angle, where Eames is the actor and Arthur the producer, Eames sounds like he's pitching an idea (which is not his job but Cobb's) and just, you know, dropping the act and standing there all bare and waiting to be judged and in that sort of situation you tend to take things very literally, so the way I see it, that was just a misunderstanding.
Re: fics, GOD I KNOW D: I just can't help but have a little hope, you know? Right now I'm just dropping everything and starting back from the beginning for the 5th time but at least everytime I do that I throw away all the unnecessary stuff so I end up writing faster because well, I get closer to the point. And it gets better, too, so hopefully at some point SOON I'll be satisfied enough to keep on writing like that (that always happens but I have to get through all the same stages over again, every time. WRITING SHORTCUTS, Y U NO EXIST?)
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Date: 2011-02-03 02:36 am (UTC)Maybe this one comes from the fact that in the movie, Arthur "screwed up" when he "failed" to discover that Robert's subconscious had been militarized (between quotation marks because as good as he is, that sort of stuff isn't likely to be recorded anywhere and fellow extractors aren't really going to spill the beans because hello, criminal world. Anyway there's an awesome meta post floating around here that explains it way better than I ever could but basically, Arthur didn't really screw up and Cobb really acted like a huge douchebag to try and divert the team's attention from his own huge fuck-up.) and we never see Eames being anything less than a BAMF. So maybe it incepted people into thinking Arthur was more likely to fail than Eames. I don't know.
But in my head!canon they're both stubborn and insecure, each in their own way but then it's overpowered by the power of their ~epic love~. Basically. But seriously, to me they're both equal in their qualities and flaws, and that's what I love about them anyway. Maybe they won't screw up at the same time (like, in the same story) but it should be more, um, balanced than it is right now in A/E fic.
And I totally agree re: the condescension line, the way I interpreted it since I first saw the movie was that Arthur was sincere but couldn't help being snarky and Eames
,blinded by love,failed to pick it up. JGL and Tom Hardy really nailed that scene IMO. If you look at it from the inception=movie angle, where Eames is the actor and Arthur the producer, Eames sounds like he's pitching an idea (which is not his job but Cobb's) and just, you know, dropping the act and standing there all bare and waiting to be judged and in that sort of situation you tend to take things very literally, so the way I see it, that was just a misunderstanding.Re: fics, GOD I KNOW D: I just can't help but have a little hope, you know? Right now I'm just dropping everything and starting back from the beginning for the 5th time but at least everytime I do that I throw away all the unnecessary stuff so I end up writing faster because well, I get closer to the point. And it gets better, too, so hopefully at some point SOON I'll be satisfied enough to keep on writing like that (that always happens but I have to get through all the same stages over again, every time. WRITING SHORTCUTS, Y U NO EXIST?)