Actually, I read yours too and noticed they're quite similar in the sense that they both aim to explain what Arthur's job really is, but the other one focuses more on the research part, so they really complete each other nicely, and both really helped me put my thoughts in order. It must be somewhere in my browser history, I'll see if I can find it for you! I have the same background in mind for them! Also, I don't remember if it's Word of God or not (it might be from JGL, so it's close enough anyway), but I remember reading that they used to be rivals, which might justify the "There are plenty of good thieves" and "He has no imagination" lines but doesn't necessarily mean they didn't know each other on a more personal level, whatever their connection was.
And that scene in the hotel (that was supposed to happen between Arthur and Cobb in the shooting script, so between that and the adlibbed "darling" I guess we were supposed to ship Arthur/Cobb BUT THEN, TOM HARDY. 'Nuff said. We should all thank him for A/E. Not IRL, of course, because that would be awkward.) ahem anyway, that scene really surprised me because it was not strictly-speaking necessary to the plot, and it fits A/E so much better, because I don't see Arthur and Cobb saying that to each other anyway. Of course it's obvious they're friends, but they're always all SRS BZNS with each other so it doesn't really suit them. Also, I think that bit of dialogue gained all its importance when Eames told Cobb and Ariadne that he'd ride the kick with or without them, because it's only then that we can really understand that Eames sees Arthur differently than he sees the rest of the team. So yeah there are a lot of perfectly legitimate reasons to imagine that kind of background on top of shipping them in general. Maybe that's why I can't bring myself to ship Ariadne/Arthur on its own; they might have kissed on-screen but somehow Arthur and Eames' interactions are more... I don't know, meaningful.
And seriously? People say that? So he gets shot by Cobb's projection (who's still Cobb), then Nash ruins the job, and add on top of it that Cobb's plan was basically a less direct version of "Mr. Charles" (because I don't think extractors often talk about extraction to their marks, that's more or less like telling them they're dreaming except it's the mark who does the math), which we know Arthur doesn't approve of, and Arthur actually did his job and is now screwed because of Cobb and Nash's mistakes? And people think he should have been nice to them? I just don't get it. And as much as I love Eames, which is a lot, I have to agree that he was more of an asshole (though not really) than Arthur was, like when he said he'd just stay on the first level (I think it was more about moving the plot forward but anyway). Though I've seen people bitch about his whole "aww I was really wondering what's behind that door *hint hint nudge nudge*" speech, and the "it's not me who's never going to see my family again" part, but I think he was just trying to show Cobb how stupid his negativity was. Alas, Cobb is kind of dense, so Ariadne had to make it clear to him by coming up with the back-up plan herself. (nice parallel with the negative/positive sides of the same idea they discussed at the planning stage, btw.)/ramble
And aww don't worry, I'm always like that when it comes to writing. See, it's like the Eames to my Arthur, I can't quite figure it out immediately and it's annoying and frustrating so I get bitchy and pretend I hate it but deep down I just looove it, otherwise I wouldn't even bother fighting with it. I just need to admit it to myself. /fanontropes But seriously, it's just a necessary part of the process because like I said the other day, I haven't really written in a long time, but I'm really glad I picked this prompt because it makes me push my own limits and rediscover the "joys" of writing but without much pressure the stakes are not the same as they would've been if I just got started on my "big" projects without warming up a bit before. Which doesn't mean that I don't want to do this well, let's be clear. I will never post anything I'm not at least a little satisfied with. ...Which is why I basically never posted anything. :/
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Date: 2011-02-03 05:01 am (UTC)I have the same background in mind for them! Also, I don't remember if it's Word of God or not (it might be from JGL, so it's close enough anyway), but I remember reading that they used to be rivals, which might justify the "There are plenty of good thieves" and "He has no imagination" lines but doesn't necessarily mean they didn't know each other on a more personal level, whatever their connection was.
And that scene in the hotel (that was supposed to happen between Arthur and Cobb in the shooting script, so between that and the adlibbed "darling" I guess we were supposed to ship Arthur/Cobb BUT THEN, TOM HARDY. 'Nuff said. We should all thank him for A/E. Not IRL, of course, because that would be awkward.) ahem anyway, that scene really surprised me because it was not strictly-speaking necessary to the plot, and it fits A/E so much better, because I don't see Arthur and Cobb saying that to each other anyway. Of course it's obvious they're friends, but they're always all SRS BZNS with each other so it doesn't really suit them.
Also, I think that bit of dialogue gained all its importance when Eames told Cobb and Ariadne that he'd ride the kick with or without them, because it's only then that we can really understand that Eames sees Arthur differently than he sees the rest of the team. So yeah there are a lot of perfectly legitimate reasons to imagine that kind of background on top of shipping them in general. Maybe that's why I can't bring myself to ship Ariadne/Arthur on its own; they might have kissed on-screen but somehow Arthur and Eames' interactions are more... I don't know, meaningful.
And seriously? People say that? So he gets shot by Cobb's projection (who's still Cobb), then Nash ruins the job, and add on top of it that Cobb's plan was basically a less direct version of "Mr. Charles" (because I don't think extractors often talk about extraction to their marks, that's more or less like telling them they're dreaming except it's the mark who does the math), which we know Arthur doesn't approve of, and Arthur actually did his job and is now screwed because of Cobb and Nash's mistakes? And people think he should have been nice to them? I just don't get it.
And as much as I love Eames, which is a lot, I have to agree that he was more of an asshole (though not really) than Arthur was, like when he said he'd just stay on the first level (I think it was more about moving the plot forward but anyway). Though I've seen people bitch about his whole "aww I was really wondering what's behind that door *hint hint nudge nudge*" speech, and the "it's not me who's never going to see my family again" part, but I think he was just trying to show Cobb how stupid his negativity was. Alas, Cobb is kind of dense, so Ariadne had to make it clear to him by coming up with the back-up plan herself. (nice parallel with the negative/positive sides of the same idea they discussed at the planning stage, btw.)/ramble
And aww don't worry, I'm always like that when it comes to writing. See, it's like the Eames to my Arthur, I can't quite figure it out immediately and it's annoying and frustrating so I get bitchy and pretend I hate it but deep down I just looove it, otherwise I wouldn't even bother fighting with it. I just need to admit it to myself. /fanontropes
But seriously, it's just a necessary part of the process because like I said the other day, I haven't really written in a long time, but I'm really glad I picked this prompt because it makes me push my own limits and rediscover the "joys" of writing but without much pressure the stakes are not the same as they would've been if I just got started on my "big" projects without warming up a bit before. Which doesn't mean that I don't want to do this well, let's be clear. I will never post anything I'm not at least a little satisfied with.
...Which is why I basically never posted anything. :/